Thread regarding Honeywell International Inc. layoffs

Changes in vacation policy in 2017

Hearing from reliable folks vacation will no longer be accrued and will no longer be paid out when you leave Honeywell.

The manager approves requests based on work load and other criteria.

Anyone else hearing this?

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The real name of Honeywell is Hump me well if you are an employee!

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I am soooo lucky that I am the same age as my boss and we both have about 5 years left to work. His unwritten policy is he will approve any vacation as long as you can get someone to back you up.

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Wow. I was riffed a year ago by HW after 28 years loyalty and never a single bad review. I've moved on and thank god I don't have to be part of that toxic environment. Looking back I feel bad that I stayed at HW all those years.

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What can we do to get this vacation policy reversed ?

I had 6 weeks of earned vacation time, of course the timing of when I took time off was always coordinated and approved with my manager. But it was always understood that was my earned time off, and I was expected to use it. Now I will be seen as not "customer focused" if I use 6 weeks of vacation. Obviously you will now be shamed if you take "too much" vacation time, your not dedicated or your position is not as needed as others, etc...

Very clever of HW HR lawyers to call it unlimited vacation with no max.

How do we get this stopped, law suit, something with our senators or government, there must be something that can be done ?

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100% true. Hourly employees stay on the old policy, accruing vacation past on years of service, they enter the year with a set amount of their time they are entitles too, the same as we all did for the 29 years I have worked at HW. So I "HAD" 5 weeks vacation and was 1 year away from having 6 weeks.

Next year I have ZERO days of vacation and must negotiate with my site leader asking his acceptance that I be allowed time off, "IF" it will not impact the business.

So lets put this in real world perspective that I work in every day at HW now. Over the past 2 years as a Supervisor I have had to reduce my team by 1/3, I had to make tough choices to cut heads, many times letting go of very good performing loyal employees. I have departments that were previously 3 employees are now 1. Our workload and number of orders have actually increased, But if as a manager I speak to the site leader that I am understaffed, then I am seen as "not effectively managing my resources" Keep in mind the site leader will be forced into making more headcount cuts. And has let us know he will be cutting another supervisor soon. Keep in mind as a supervisor I have had 3 one week furloughs this year with now pay. I am expected to work weekends and holidays without compensation since I am exempt salary. And if you say a discouraging word, you are seen as not supporting the company leadership. So now the remaining supervisors are being pitted against one another in a competition to keep your job, so how much vacation do you think I will be "asking" for ? Even if it was allowed and approved basically by saying the business need for my position is less than my counterparts may be what tips the scales against me for the next supervisor reduction. So then lets look at how much time I "allow" to my salaried employees, even if I want to allow my employees that used to have 6 weeks to take all their time, I will be viewed negatively that I am not looking out for the "business need" by not having coverage.

I started my career with a fantastic company I was proud to be associated with, a company that valued its employees and loyalty to the company, employees were viewed as the greatest asset we had, the envy of our competition, Then we were bought by "Allied signal" a company that was well known as treating their employees terrible, that's when it all began, instead of valuing the loyal employees, they were viewed as liabilities, parasites that needed to be dealt with. We are constantly wondering what is the next benefit they will take away? Pretty sure it will be our pension, not saying they can take away what we have accrued, but they will stop contributing.

Anyone who thinks they will have more vacation now then they "earned" in the previous standard should be drug tested, Vacation is just going to be another undocumented loyalty test.

If I had know then what I know now I can honestly say I wish I had never stepped foot in HW 28 years ago.

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Heard talk about a Union.

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Sounds like if an employee takes too much vacation under this plan you will be placed on a PIP. No severance pkg. for employees that are terminated for cause. I only have a few years left and I'm out of here.

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, Sounds like you are still in the first phase of the M&A process. Things will change incrementally. They are slow and methodical. Your great manager will do what they have to do, if they want to keep their job. Your plans will be changed. You will end up in the elbow of the 9 block, if not the 9 square, get a crappy review (probably for the first time ever) and be put on a PIP, just because "it's your turn". You'll lose longstanding benefits, positions or entire departments will go away. Look back in a few years, if you are still there, you won't recognize the place you used to work.

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We were recently acquired by Honeywell and have had our meeting with HR. This is 100% true, they are going to a unlimited vacation business model. I have a great manager so I am not worried and have already planned five weeks off next year. Of course I'm a salaried employee so whether I take the time off or I don't take the time off Honeywell still out to the same amount of money. I'm certainly expected to get the work done, but I don't see it being much of an issue.

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After many years of service here it is now perfectly clear to me that Honeywell no longer give a single f--- about their employees. I'd say that I'd look for work else were, but that's precisely what they want. Instead I think I will milk this place for all it's worth. Do the bare minimum to get by and keep any good ideas to myself. I don't want to waist my time saving them one single penny. I hope Cote gets his.

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So has anyone thought to contact your legislative representatives in the House and Senate (assuming yours aren't up for re-election today)? I'm thinking of contacting mine and everyone else's to ask that they create legislation on vacation being mandatory for larger companies. Anyone else want to join me? that way, whether you stay with HON or another firm, we have something we could count on. Just saying... And if your site is losing many people, these legislators want to know as it means money to your state...

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This has been verified just waiting in announcements with several other changes. Thinking they want to wsit until after the RIF due to the reprocutions

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Not true, I could see them reducing or capping it lower again, but not changing it to based on your workload or Mgr discretion like sick days.

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Look at it this way! Who cares about next years vacation days if you are lucky enough to get RIFfed? So maybe quit stressing about things that are only rumor (at this point)? Either way we are all screwed.

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The only way is that you schedule the vacation when you want it. Your manager will approve if all the work is completed or he/she will tell you to complete all tasks before you leave making you work 18 hour days to get it done. Depends on how nice your manager is I guess.

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Torrance plant has 150% cap rule for many years and then you stop accruing vacation which is the same as loosing it.

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I'll take vacation no matter what. Work can wait :) That's my moto and my boss and his boss and his boss's boss all the way to King Cote himself better get used to that from now on.

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If you can only take vacation if your work is finished, how can you ever plan vacation? How will you ever know if your work will be done a month in advance?

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After the floating holiday crap this sounds like a real posibility.

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Great!!! I got 3 weeks but I'll be taking 7 because unlimited!!! Finally a good policy :)

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Manager will be intimidated into not allowing more than 2 weeks or else it will look bad on their review. Of course this will not be in writing anywhere. More sneaky crap to deny you the time off that you earned. Hey boss I have finished all my work, can I take the rest of the day off? Gee I don't know, can't you help Billy Bob finish his work?

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I also heard from a Senior Manager that the new "unlimited vacation" is a done deal. I have six weeks, and if I'm still here next year, I'll be taking six weeks.

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Ouch Honeywell is starting to hurt my anus now.

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You are correct in saying "carry over" had not been allowed for years. This isn't talking to carry over from one year to another.

Vacation policy as we know it is going away.

I have 6 weeks this year, starting in 2017 it's being sold as "unlimited" meaning take as much as you want if you believe that. Your manager will approve your request for vacation only if you meet certain criteria. When you leave Honeyhell you will no longer have any vacation on the books so you don't get paid for unused days saving company mill. I'm hearing about 3 weeks per year will be approved and you will get PTO days if salary.

Hope this helps.

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Accrued vacation? Engines has had a use it or lose it policy forever. You get x weeks a year on Jan 1 and if you don't use them by Dec 31, it's gone. Maybe I don't understand the term correctly.

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Was looking forward to 5, 6 or 7 week vacation a year. Finally with unlimited vacation I can do it. Might take every Friday too...unlimited time line.

If managers don't like it too f---ing bad.

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This would effectively let each manager set his own vacation policy. This is not good.

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Nice explanation.

Hard to believe we've come to this. We're contract workers and nothing more.

The company cares less about you and so I could care less about them. Thru still gave power over us until we leave so no notice when I go. During a felt mtg I'll tell the group I'm leaving affective Friday . So very sad

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This is unfortunately true. Starting next year the company will stop the practice of offering a defined vacation "benefit" and instead offer "Unlimited Vacation". This is part of the multiple actions that are being put in place to reduce the cost of doing business globally. This will apply in particular to countries (Like the United States) where companies are not mandated by law to offer any time off (vacation or Holidays) at the national level.

Here are some articles on "Unlimited Vacation". At the surface it sounds great for the employee...

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By country here is what is mandated by law

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Here is what the US Department of Labor indicates

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Arizona law

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California law

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New Jersey Law

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If one reviews the package provided to the September RIF(voluntary/involuntary) the age of the population is not young which implies many years of service and of course high vacation costs and severance costs for those who wait until later in year to take vacation.

By transitioning to an unlimited vacation policy it provides a mechanism for leadership to better control fixed costs. With a US employee population with a good portion receiving 3 weeks or more vacation this will save the company $$ as well as provide incentives for older workers to retire or find other employment.

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By that I mean they will spin this to sound like a benefit but it will completely s--- for us! When you go to your next job get vacation and remote work WRITTEN into your offer letter!

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Anyone who thinks Honeywell would do something good for employees hasn't been paying attention.

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It's catbert's vacation policy...

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Well let's see:

Pension, (if eligible), severance reduction, work location, badge swap for another company, sell division to another company so they can still beat us until we' happy.

I just don't think it's worth it any longer.

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OMG Say it isn't so... What's left to take away...

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It will be announced soon - "unlimited vacation" which you get only if your work is done and your manager approves. No unpaid vacation benefit if you leave during the year. If you have more than 3 weeks vacation under the current policy then you probably won't get that much time under the new one. But you will get some personal days. Hope you have a decent manager.

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Ahhh... the old "unlimited-but-not-truly-unlimited aka no vacation policy" trick.

Yep...if no amount of vacation days exist, then there's none to pay out.

HPE & CSC are doing the same

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I recall many years a go a class action law suit because they wanted to erase accrued vacation. It never went anywhere.

I think (could be wrong) but haven't we accrued next years vacation this calandar year? If so, it's an earned benifit and can't simple be erased.

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Yes and other companies have already dropped this idea because employees don't take enough vacation. Which is precisely what Dave wants I am sure.

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