Over the years I have seen the office dress code slip and slide from neckties to golf shirts to jeans to now god knows what. Casual Friday has bled over all the way to Monday. I see people in Hawaiian shirts, jeans and Converse tennis shoes. WTF. Are we running a Fortune 500 business or a refugee camp? It's appalling. People have no respect for themselves or how our company appears to others. Dress for success. If you look sharp you will seem sharp. If you dress like a sloppy mess people won't much care what you say they will assume your thinking is a sloppy, careless mess. I say bring back a written dress code - slacks, shiny shoes, and dress shirts five days per week.
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Yes I admit I think lululemon is magic.
Gotta love those yoga pants - admit it!
Just out of curiosity OP, did you start your career at Exxon? In your reference to dress standards at major tech companies, I would note great differences between Google and Microsoft... and similar broad variations in dress expectations across that industry (not just rouge “coders”). Personally I find a tie to be a particularly stupid garment without any useful function and dangerous around machinery. Dress shoes are also generally lacking in practicality...so why ware them? Out of “respect?...for whom? Some traditions are best disposed of!
PSG27s should not be wearing jeans daily in downtown Houston. Friday, OK. The rest of the time it's sloppy and redneck. If you get paid 300k plus in a corporate office dress the part ( no tie required) and respect the visitors you receive who do make the effort. I always took pride in my appearance as an employee of a great company. Pissed me off seeing managers, and all, coming to work like they were going on a hunting trip. Bad example for the young, new employees who turned up to work looking like tinks every day. Does attire affect your work...probably not. Does it affect your image and that of a company....for sure.
Signed "old fashioned, traditional fart".
How can you say no loafers allowed? That's pretty much all you've got.
Yes perfect! I think we need an employee fashion network, corporate inter-BU standards commitee, web-based yearly training in color coordination, fashion cultural sensitivity training, fashion stand-downs for team evaluations before pmp unit score rollup, and Dapper Dan progression metrics for promotion considerations. When all that is done, along with the rest of my compliance training, I will try to find a bit of oil...if there is time.
Somehow I got to grade 26 without a subscription to GQ...perhaps because I am on the technical ladder...but methinks you overstate your case. I would add I am not alone in this distinction;-).
I’m the OP. Chinos are ok once in a while during summer months if you are a lifelong worker bee. If you have any ambition I expect dark slacks and a necktie from time to time. Dress for success is 100% correct. Short sleeves are for bus drivers.
A moving bar I guess ... Oxford, chinos, dull leader lofers...would be considered by many as business casual, but the OP suggests such dress should only be allowed in the mail room. I inferred the original suggestion was for uniform coat and tie (which, of the majors, I have only observed this to be the common uniform at Exxon).
Only problem with smart-A$$ comments like -4qle's is that it's totally false. I have many colleagues who are and were employees of Silicon Valley and Seattle majors and they do not dress like the disrespectful idiots described, at least the most successful ones do not. They dress business casual also and don't go overboard with the exception of some groups, like coders which parallels the IBM dress code, no different. Feel free to believe your false narratives and keep living under a rock, though. It suits you.
I am sure many a blue suit at IBM a few years back looked down their nose at the “disrespectable” lack of dress code and employee regimentation at Google, even though folks at the latter were generally putting in a lot more hours (even if not all sitting in the same office chair). How it that work out for the their relative long term corporate profits.
I have not met an underdressed Chevron manager. They absolutely take note of appearance and it gets mentioned in ranking sessions. “Who is Steve Jones? Tha guy who wears Crocs and concert t-shirts? Doesn’t seem like fully satisfactory to me.”
-3rod: Do as you choose, but unless you are in my direct chain of management your edict’s carry little weight with me. Business casual seems about right to me for tech staff and is what I prefer. Me thinks it’s time you retire with the rest of the mad man crew.
Get with the f---en times. I’ve seen people dress nicely and they have all the gear but no f---en idea. The way you dress does not dictate how hard you work or the advice that comes out of your mouth. Granted that if your in front of customers your should dress for the part. But at the end of the day you may dress like a king but lead like a gimp!
The topic discussed here is juvenile...
Dress codes are not ‘inclusive or diverse’
Well maybe we need a quantitative study of the relative productivity of the business school MBA dapper Dan’s vs the Chinos & loafer Ph.D. techs! They who find the most oil win.
Please, no chinos nor loafers.
Chevron is the laughing stock in Houston among vendors. One of them told me they saw a DWEP geologist in his pajama bottoms at OTC.
At least these poor dressers show up and are not “telecommuting.” Now that’s the joke.
I agree with dressing like we are actually running a business. Some people have no respect for themselves or anyone else. They would wear sweat pants to work if you let them.
You can put lipstick on a Chevron employee, its still a pig. Gorgon, Wheatstone, Bigfoot, annual fatalities, Pro+, AMBU, GOM - you aren't changing anything getting pretty and acting self righteous. You still are what you are.
Talk about anal retentive, I do not think a stricter dress code will help find more oil. I am not advocating that folks dress like they are heading to the beach, but I also see no advantage to suit and tie. In Hou140 I ware the same thing every day... Oxford, Chinos & soft leather shoes, and I see few that dress worse unless they are heading to the field or core store. Once in a while I will see some a young women dressed like she is heading for the clubs or a guy who seems a bit lax, but not often...and could care less. Might I suggest those who prefer everyone forced into strict bankers attire head to Exxon.
When do men get to wear flip flops with immunity? Ridiculous. No one wants to see your toes. No matter how much polish is on them.
The PMP's are not worth anything. It now shows what Chevron has left in its ranks. A monkey in silk is a monkey no less.
Get off my lawn
It is embarrassing that the today’s workforce does not take pride in their appearance at work. It is doubly ashamed that a dress code could possibly be enforced because people go to work looking like they are working in their yards or they are not at work. T-shirts with writing on them and tennis worn daily are now commonplace. As a 20 year employee it is past time to tell employees that their workplace should be respected by dressing and acting professionally.